Curse

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 27, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I was directing that towards hella of course; but thank you for your responce avarre.

even with losing 18 health per second; wastrel's worry (the boon of your creation I know -.-) out damages all of the degen completely. It is in the domination attribute (which is strictly more useful for pve) and allows for shatter hex/powerspike.

So for illusionmagic to be competitive for mesmer pve (what they have of it) it will need some serious new skills or improvements to the ones it has. Now if hundred blades suddenly became no longer elite *again*...then IW mesmers would rule the field. But I really don't see that happening.

Avarre · May 27, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Wastrel's can't target as many targets

Usually in Elite missions, I try to hex 5-6 targets at once (after killing the Expel hex mobs, in the deep at least. I hate those.) That results in about 100d/s in total, with three skills...

Powerspike only works on casters... and shatter only works in areas with a) many hexes, b) lots of mobs meleeing you. Ok, thats almost all areas. Nobody said shatter was bad xD

So Eaimirth... hows the forum lag?

Triple post go!

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 27, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Ohh dear god...evil forum lag! (fixed it now sorry guys!)
Yep shatter hex is the best we got. I would (really) like an unconditional (meaning no nerfs to whatever) buff on empathy for adjacent (no longer recharge, energy cost, cast time, spell status).

Not that shatter hex is bad; its the best dps spell in the game I might add(in pve) (meaning damage from casting to completion devided by duration of both). I simply wish for the mesmer class to have abit more to offer in pve.

...ps this forum lag is worse than guild wars this evening. Been trying to save the edit on this post for about 5minutes now.

Hella Good · May 27, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaimirth Etaivella

So let me get this straight.
You think that:
Mesmers excel in pvp, are ok in pve
Monks are decent in pve and pvp
Warriors are decent in pve and pvp
Eles excell in pve and are ok in pvp
Necros excel in pve and are decent in pvp
Rangers excell in pvp and are ok in pve
Assassins excell in pvp and are horrible pve
Ritualists are decent in pve and pvp

This seems about consistant with what I actually think.

And yea, wth is with the forum lag? >.<

DieInBasra · May 27, 2006, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Monks are just decent, mmm? You'd think the fact that every team needs at least two, which isn't true for any other class, would push them up a bit in that standard. Warriors also are needed for any build that isn't spike in pvp, so I'd bump them up a bit.

Hella Good · May 27, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

And? Does that mean Monks rock the socks in PvP? No. Yes, they heal, and so... what? I have always said that good monks are the foundation of any semi-decent GvG team. And I have huge respect for Monks, maybe because if you look left (<---), you will see that among other things I play Monk. BUT that doesn't mean they excell in it. Mind you, this is my personal opinion, I am not holding anyone to it.

LaserLight · May 27, 2006, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Monks are like pants. You don't go outside without them, you give any good pair of pants their due, but your entire life doesn't revolve around worshipping the awe-inspiring performance of your pants. Yes, there are about ninety thousand Monks about ready to burn me at the stake right now, but honestly guys, you're only as necesary as you are because you are, mostly, the only class that can heal worth a damn. That's not sock-rocking, that's performing the basic fundamental job of your class. Do it poorly, and you get yelled at. Do it well, you get kudos. Do it superbly, and you get muay kudos. But I don't much feel like suborning my life to my pants.

*Goes off to find new pants*

That said...on topicness. Empathy isn't Spiteful Spirit, nor should it try to be. Mesmers weren't built for AoE effects and multi-target funderfulness, that's an Elementalist's job. And to a lesser extent, a Necromancer's and/or Ranger's.

After all, if the SS Necromancer is the staple of the PvE diet, then I'd say the domination Mesmer is about the same for PvP. A good mesmer is more important in a high-level battle than both of your good pan-erm, Monks. Mostly because a single Mesmer can effectively knock out half or more of the enemy team if played right. Isn't that good enough, guys?

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 27, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

AoE effects and multi-target funderfulness, that's an Elementalist's job.

...uhh huh Doesn't seem Anet wants it to be that way despite what their manual says about it =/

Avarre · May 27, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaserLight

Monks are like pants. You don't go outside without them, you give any good pair of pants their due, but your entire life doesn't revolve around worshipping the awe-inspiring performance of your pants.

The monk is actually unneeded. What's important is the healing/prot skills, which just so happen to be mainly given to monks

Which is why rits are shining in some situations..

However, the nice thing about GW is secondary classes! There isn't a need to play your primary!

See? No primary monks ahoy! xD

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 27, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Back to the topic of mesmers needing a pve buff so that we do not mooch off the other classes... ^_~;
@Avarre
@Hella Good

The main issue (in my opinion) is the direct lack of decent area of effect power. Of these skills (Chaos Storm Shatter hex Cry of Frustration SV/AV Shared Burden Soothing Images Fevored Dreams Epidemic) only two are used by our class for maximum effect. The others are either not used(Chaos Storm Shared Burden Soothing Images Fevored Dreams Epidemic) or are used to deal max damage as another profession (SV/AV).

Somewhat interesting imo.

Avarre · May 28, 2006, 06:58 AM // 06:58

My main PvE build uses SV/AV if the tank is someone I know can take aggro. It takes some of the pressure off monks

Its just that typically with PUG tanks I can't be bothered as aggro rarely stays on them.

Eaimirth Etaivella · May 28, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Agreement there with unreliable pug groups; leave all your traditional e management like ess.bond(which imo may top prodigy if used right) at home~The big three (energy drain, energy tap, ether feast) are comming to town.
I agree with you though
Just can't trust those warriors...or trapping rangers...or some silly ele/w that decides he can tank...or IW mesmers...or necros that just enter aggro circle too early...or elementalists who bring firestorm...or~